Managed to get up the the club on Wednesday and shot nine dozen arrows, and while it was pretty cold I really enjoyed myself. I am using my old 26lb Winstorm Carbons to get back some kind of form and then in a few weeks I will put my 34lb Kaya Tomcats back on (I hope). I was only shooting at 30 meters but to start with my groups....well there were none, but by the end of the session I was starting to get four or five out of the six in a reasonable group. I think next time I get up there I will try a short western and see how I do, I really must start working towards getting some kind of classification this year and get back out to 80 yards before the summer league starts.
That's about it for now I am going to get a few snaps of my training aid and maybe talk about what can be done off the range to improve form next time (within the next seven days).
That's about it for now I am going to get a few snaps of my training aid and maybe talk about what can be done off the range to improve form next time (within the next seven days).
Hi,
ReplyDeleteStill with the lurgy, so still haven't shot.
However, I am intrigued with the facilities as I perceive them, at your club, especially access to longer distances. At our club, only outdoors is available during fair evenings in the summer...twice for me last summer. All other shooting is indoors at about 20 yards.(Club nights) My local indoor range is 15 yards...
What is a western? A classification?
As soon as health/weather/days off allows, I'll be up to the shop to see if new bow is in, and practising with the dreaded clicker again....
Hi there,
DeleteAt Noak Hill we have our own 'Record Status' grounds where we can shoot 365 days from dawn till an hour before dusk, we can shoot right out to 100 yards and have room for upwards of 20 bosses at a time. We have no onsite indoor facilities at the moment, we are looking into it but for the time being our members use a local school hall in the evenings during the winter. As I don't get home from work until late I don't tend to make the indoor sessions so I just shoot outdoors all year.
The western is a nice short round shot at two distances with four dozen arrow at each. For adults the distances are normally 50/60 yards for a Western, 60/80 for a long western and 80/100 for a new western. There are also junior rounds starting at 30/40 yards. So it makes a nice round to shoot without a break when you don't have all day to shoot a twelve dozen round.
DeleteClassifications are a way to gauge your ability across the whole of the GNAS, this site explains it well:http://www.scottisharchery.org.uk/gnastarget.php.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteNoak Hill sounds an awesome facility!
Last night was a club night at the school sports centre, and the first one I have attended for a couple of weeks. Managed some nice groups at 20 yards.....still without the clicker.
Next week we are having a strict competition ethos, to show newcomers like me, what a competition is like. We shall have a proper judge/umpire /referee in attendance. What is the correct title?
Tomorrow, wed., I shall, weather and roads allowing, go to Perris and see is the new rig is yet in, and if so start setting it up. Could be exciting!
sorry....its Laurie
ReplyDeleteooops...and a cartel longrod with damper...
ReplyDeleteDon't know whether you got my last; but went to Perris on Wed after noon to be greeted with the news that the riser and limbs were in and had been set up with a new string. All that remained was to swap and reset my sight and attach longrod/sling.
ReplyDeleteI know it was really only coincidental, but there were some lovely groups in and around the gold...most satisfying!
The additional weight of the limbs IS noticeable, going up 4lbs on the fingers (44lbs), and I'm not sure that it was a good move, but shall stay with it now.
The riser looks like a work of art -should have bought one just to look at- but is very comfortable to shoot too: the handle is slightly wider and more stable in my hand. All in all, and I know its very early days, but one happy bunny, especially when one compares the cost! Monday night is the formal club shoot......
Laurie
Not sure if you're getting any of my replies....but anyway, tonight the Club held a Bray 1 (30 arrows at 25 yards on a little target...so it seemed to me at least! )
ReplyDeleteI was allowed 6 sighting arrows as all was new, and ended scoring 228/300, perhaps no great shakes, but gratifying for this novice on brand new kit, on his first ever shoot under competition rules with a proper GNAS judge.
I don't know if it has any effect on the accuracy of the arrows (personally I doubt it as the arrows have left) but as has been so often said before, it is just SO SMOOTH and QUIET to shoot. A real joy.....
Oh and looks good. Have I said that?
(Still not using the clicker...)
Laurie
Great to hear, keep enjoying it.
DeleteAre you still going to post some images? Looking forward to them if so.......Laurie
DeleteYes I will be posting some images, just trying to find some time to take some.
DeleteWas up at the pro shop today with the Spigarelli, and the owner came out to the range to give me some pointers and look at tuning the bow further.
ReplyDeleteAlthough the groupings were ok, all my arrows were laying over to one side, suggesting , I was told that the arrows were leaving the bow, "weak". This should be expected as the poundage on the the fingers had increased?. So, button pressure was increased a little, but I was also asked how did I sight the bow string...? To which I said, I lined the string, sight and gold...all things being equal then loosed.....
No, this was also incorrect, and I was further advised to line in my peripheral vision, the string with the centre of the bow (makes sense) and the sight would therefore be clear (doesn't make sense?). Still that's what I was doing/struggling with, and there is yet some further button /rest tuning to be done.....I am told!
I feel like I am beginning again, just as I thought I was getting somewhere!!
Laurie
I think I can see what he is saying about the string, it definatly should not be inline with the sight and the gold as the only way to achevie this would be to point the bow off to the right (for a right hander) as the string runs down the centre of the bow but the sight sticks out to the side.
DeleteYou are just starting to find out that shooting the bow is just the tip of the iceburg, the good thing about tuning though is once it is done it is done until you next change something.
How very true your last paragraph is!
DeleteYour first paragraph also makes sense, and that is exactly how I understand things!!
Laurie
....Which has just been borne out last night at club night; the range was squeezed up to 25 metres (FITA), from 20 yards. What a difference that made! I had tweaked things as per your mail, and resighted, it was almost as if those few yards gave the arrows and bow space to breath!
ReplyDeleteIs it possible for respondents on your blog to attach piccies without going through p.bucket or somesuch?
Anyone else out there with a Revolution???
Laurie
Glad to see someone making progress!
ReplyDeleteI don't know about posting images as all mine are put on from within the blog. If you are having problems you can always email them to me and I will post them.
Hang on...I've just re read your post in response to my sight/string/alignment concerns, and I'm confused again...
ReplyDeleteIn the theoretical initial setting of the bow (correct me if I'm wrong...)the bow limbs being aligned, the string should run down the centre of those limbs and riser?
That being so, the offset of the handle will allow the sight aperture to be aligned with the string/arrow/sight/target?
To have the sight aperture away from this alignment would surely then require the bow to be canted or torqued left or right......?
Err..... you know when you just read something and then type a quick reply and the come back and look at it later and think "why?".
ReplyDelete..all the time!
ReplyDeleteHave developed a bad case of "archers elbow" on my drawing arm. Some movements are very painful. 2 options....
1/give up archery
2/suffer it for possibly over a year...
That's no option at all really!! But I think drawing 44lbs may not be helping.........
However I don't see myself being able to shoot some of these longer competitions...............
Of course, 1 hrs training in the pool and then another hour with a trainer in the gym (spit) prior to shooting today may not have been such a plan!!
Laurie
44lbs is quite heavy I know lots of archers (me included) who manage perfectly well with a lot less. I use a pair of 34lb limbs and easily get out to 80yards. For the moment I would stop shooting and go and see a good sports physiotherapist.
DeleteWhen you swap limbs, do you not have to reset tiller/bracing height/nocking point...even if they are ostensibly the same length?
ReplyDeleteLaurie
The tiller should be fine the brace height can change even with a set of the same limbs as they all vary a little bit. The knocking point will depend on the length of each limb, the easiest thing to do for that is another string so you can swap from one set to the other.
DeleteHope all is ok?
ReplyDeleteYes fine thanks just seem to be struggling to find time atm.
DeleteGlad to hear things are ok...the time thing I can sympathise with: I used to run a web site and assoc. for a one make yacht owners group...
ReplyDeleteTo bring things up to date, I have carried on shooting as and when I can (all indoors this winter) and no further than 25 metres, once or twice a week. I have persevered with the limbs I bought for two reasons:
1/I am told it be difficult, if I went down, to then go back up....These limbs are 4lbs (on my fingers) heavier than my Winstorms (wood)as compensation for a slightly softer? feeling riser.
2/ I've bought them now! And couldn't justify another, 3rd pair!!
Yet...
In truth, I don't find using them for a couple of hours too much, but it will potentially delay any recovery. I do during the day, wear a splint, although not convinced or its efficacy, either!
It can just sort itself out, methinks.....
For our sins, my partner is an OT, and I too work in an allied field....ooops
Shooting the riser continues to illicit a lot of curiosity and interest,as well as pleasure in its quietness (when I get things right!) and smoothness. Results have been ok too! I am still not using a clicker, nor am I in a rush to do.
Hope you are still able to post some of your images, and that there are some other contributors out there!!
Laurie
Hope all is well, as have been looking forward to your posts/updates?
ReplyDeleteHaven't shot for a couple of weeks as have been advised to rest arm as "lateral epycondylitis" (tennis elbow) seems to have become chronic, and surgery has been mentioned...
However, it can either be tolerated and I go back to shooting, and the pain stays or goes of it's own volition....(it doesn't hurt that much whilst shooting..)
OR.....
I may look at learning to shoot left handed, which would mean changing my risers and much lower weighted limbs initially
A left handed Revolution????
Laurie
Laurie, STOP SHOOTING!
DeleteJust rest up do some light work with a stretch band, but rest that arm before you ruin it. Working a damaged joint is just asking for a major problem that could stop you shooting permanently left or right handed. I have seen quite a few people at my club who have tried to carry on with an injury (even one a minor as mine last year) and it ends up as a major problem. I did not shoot for three months because of a minor tear in my bicep and now it is good as new, take your time you can still work on form and spend time at the club not shooting ( sometimes you learn more not doing). That is really my advise and please take it, on the other side I am always in the market for an unwanted Revolution ! :)
Lovely to hear from you!
ReplyDeleteMedic, heal thyself?? I did rest the arm, sought some advice, wore a splint, etc., and the pain, occasionally severe didn't seem to diminish. (I do train in a gym and at competitive swimming though..even as an old git). Anyway, the other day I went with my partner to the range, ostensibly to watch her shoot, and seek advice about shooting left handed, (also on arch. interchange).
I tried it and it didn't go well, and then shot a little with my bow. Apart from forgetting the button, tsck, tsck, and shooting therefore indifferently, it all felt ok. To finish, when I realised the button was missing, for my last 3, I fitted it, and put 3 straight into the gold!!.
And.....the pain after all these weeks, is all but gone????????
To have that beautiful bow there...and not shoot it...oh dear.
And you want TWO?!!
Laurie
Well, it's done...Sarah and I shot our first competition today in warm sunshine (hurrah!), if windy. We shot 8 doz at 30 and 40 yards: I've only shot once at 30 yards outdoors and Sarah not at all.
ReplyDeleteBut although by the end (and I appreciate it's only about 1/2 a tournament)I had had enough, for I have never shot that number of arrows, especially with the elbow! However I am convinced it is (very slowly!) improving......and I won my class!!
It was the only Revolution amongst about 100 bows.......and created some interest!
Hope all is well,
Laurie
Well done!
ReplyDeleteAs ever, I hope things are ok?
ReplyDeleteStill not shooting too much, but went to the range today, to shoot a few dozen indoors, and things were pretty satisfactory, but with the owners help we tweaked the pressure button. Later on, a young man who shoots VERY well with a Win/Win Inno CXT? carbon riser and limbs (a beautiful set up) tried my bow, and professed to liking it, and shot a lovely group, so I'm thinking it must be about right!
However, I have treated myself to some Easton ACC carbon/alloy arrows with little fletchings (red/white/green, to match!!!), and look forward to using them in anger...more speed and range....
My Jazzs, we will refletch with large feathers for indoors...?
Anyway, hope the archery (and all else) goes well?
Laurie
On the Archery Interchange site there have been 2 new Revolutions that have sheared bolts in the riser........
ReplyDeleteLaurie
Yes - one was mine, one bolt sheared, drilled out, decided to replace them all - one had a head made of cheese, drilled out, replaced all bolts. Arco Sport could not give torque but said flush with front of riser. Compared with another at club and bolt end flush with inner shoulder of countersink. All good, shooting well, quieter and better groups than before :-)
ReplyDeleteW&W Winex 40lb short, Spigarelli Carbon 30 sight, Easton ACE 780 outdoors, easton ACC 3l-04 indoors (27"), Shibuya DX button, W&W HMC longrod/stabilisers with Fuse QR v-bar
Bearing in mind that we haven't heard from you following your Jan. post, I only hope things are well?
ReplyDeleteWith reference the new broken bolt episode as detailed on the archery interchange site, it seems that normal service has been resumed with help from Arco Spigarelli sending replacements.
As to my own shooting, have been keeping it low key, despite 2 recent 5 doz shoots, and the elbow is slowly improving. I have bought some ACC arrows for outdoors as our club now (soon) has such access and longer ranges. My old Easton Jazz's have had their fletches changed to large feather fletches for short indoor rounds.
Now, question...is it the time to look at lateral stabilisers? If so, which to go on my Cartel longrod?
All the best,
Laurie