Now I know people are reading this blog, but don't know if you are finding it helpful informative or just a load of tripe. So come on guys give me just a little bit of feed back, put me right if I have it wrong or if you want some more info on the Revolution I might be able to help or know a man who can. As I have said all comments will be posted as long as they are not offencive and I would be happy for my son to read them.
Hi there,
ReplyDeleteI just found your blog. I once shot a revolution, but then I sold it and bought a Hoyt Nexus. That is, because (now I don´t want to frighten you) I know 2 guys who had the same riser, and theirs broke. The crack was located at the first long hole above the grip at the outer plate.
Before that, the screws which connect the rubber pieces and the three aluminium plates, cracked too and we replaced them with stronger ones.
Have you ever heard of problems like that?
Greetings from Germany
Hello thanks for the comment, could you let me know when this was, it seems there were some early problems. Also (and I need this to be honest) were the screws on the risers that failed tampered with at all before they cracked?
DeleteIf you look at the construction of the riser all stress is equal between the bolts, but if any are altered then the stress will be uneven and could lead to one of the elements failing. If you read the first post I have covered this. I have been shooting mine for over a year now and have not had any problems with it nor have I heard of any since the first batch just after the revolution was launched.
With the screws we had problems at all the revolution risers. And as far as I can tell none of them were tampered with before they where replaced by the stronger ones. The first riser broke about 4 years ago and after that I sold mine. The next one broke much later, although they were about the same age... I think that was one year ago. Both risers were shot with 36 pounds.
DeleteBut there are still 2 Spiga Revolution "alive" in our club. And they are at least 6 years old. One is a 23inch and the other one is a 25inch but without the slots at the outer plates.
One interesting thing is that all of them have had no moldings in the sight window.
Hi - I've acquired one, without the manual - could yo scan or copy it for me please?
ReplyDeleteHi James,
ReplyDeleteSorry for taking so long to reply, I will try to find my instruction sheet but to be honest it is so poor that you are better off without it as you won't keep misinterpreting things.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteIm archer from Poland, im shot from, Hoyt Helix with win&win expower 70/42.
I want to change riser, on a new one and i cant stop thinking about Spigga but i don't know if 48 lb on my fingers is not to many for that riser.
Do you have any experience with harder Limbs?
I forget admire that i seek for riser good for Olympic archery.
With Best wishes
Michał
Hi, Michal,
ReplyDeleteI only use a pair of 34 lb limbs on my Revo' and don't know anyone using a much heavier pair so I am sorry but I cannot help but maybe there is someone out there reading this that can help. But please remember we need first hand knowledge not 'I know a guys who's cousins best friend new a guy who....).
Its very difficult to find someone shotting from spiga xD. In my country is only one person and we dont know him because he never starts in tournaments.
DeleteI read about it but its so many confusing information from people that use them. For example that in hard limps they lost tillers, our that this riser dont grup arrows well, in the other hand many as you thold that is good option.
A person who very well know archery equipment and is my couch in club, get relay angry when he herd that i want to bay it.
He said something like that - "He made progress and he want bay something that will be ruing that".
I really dont know why archer so dislike this stuff :/.
I still thing what to do, bay it or not xd, but i always can back to may old riser.
So I hope so that i will send you a information hir that i have one and its work for me :).
With best
Michał
Its very difficult to find someone shotting from spiga xD. In my country is only one person and we dont know him because he never starts in tournaments.
DeleteI read about it but its so many confusing information from people that use them. For example that in hard limps they lost tillers, our that this riser dont grup arrows well, in the other hand many as you thold that is good option.
A person who very well know archery equipment and is my couch in club, get relay angry when he herd that i want to bay it.
He said something like that - "He made progress and he want bay something that will be ruing that".
I really dont know why archer so dislike this stuff :/.
I still thing what to do, bay it or not xd, but i always can back to may old riser.
So I hope so that i will send you a information hir that i have one and its work for me :).
With best
Michał
Hi There.
DeleteGot a RevII with W&W's with 40lb on fingers (measured) with no probs.
Hi - I had a bolt shear in my riser last month - it needed the stud drilling out. I decided to replace them all and another had a head made of cheese so needed drilling out too!
ReplyDeleteI replaced them all and asked Arco Sport what the torque setting should be - they replied that the bolt end should be flush with the riser surface - that seems far to severe in my opinion and as I did not really look too closely before the bolts were removed - I can't recollect how they were. Any info appreciated
Incidentally with them all at the same "hand tightness" it seems to shoot fine and nice and quietly
Hi James,
DeleteI saw your post on Archery Interchange, it is good to have a first hand report of a failure on a Revolution if only to rule out the old chinese whispers effect. From what you said it sounds like the problem may be with the bolt suppliers quality control rather than Arco's particularly with the second bolt head being so soft maybe it is their hardening process that is at fault or they may even have some units missing hardening altogether. I will have a look at my riser tonight and see if I can put a couple of snaps of the bolts on here for you.
TOny
Cheers - compared mine to another at the club (we have 3 already @ the club and one more barebow one on order for another)and the bolts appear flush with the bottom lip of the countersink - so that's the same on mine now - oddly enough it sounds quieter and seems to be grouping better too :-)
ReplyDeleteI suspect that the bolt could have had a fault/fracture from when you first got the bow and that made it noisier. Glad to hear that it seems ok now.
ReplyDeleteHi Tony,
ReplyDeleteThank you for doing your blog, I think it's really good considering there's not so much information out there about Revolution and I really like it.
Actually, it was one of the reasons I got one myself.
And I'd like to ask for help if you or anyone can help. I have 25" barebow version + Kaya K3 limbs (28 lbs @68") and I got string for 68". I’m shooting for 5 months now and it’s my first setup so I’m just getting into the whole setting the bow up but I’m eager to learn it all.
My issue is that after reading how quiet the bow should be, I hear buzzing rather than thud and to me it seems noisy but I haven't asked fellow club members yet how they perceive it.
I did the initial alignment (neutral tiller, ca. 17.8 cm) and to get more brace height and to decrease actual poundage (measured at 32 pounds with meter in the club with initial limb bolts as they were quite screwed in) I screwed bolts for limbs out so now they are closer to being out than in (haven’t measured yet how much the poundage changed but I feel it’s lower which is good for me as I shot 26 lbs before with club bow). Also limbs are side-aligned and I got a help from club with attaching nock points and after some arrow rest and button tuning my grouping seems ok (for a new bow) although I might need to change nock points a bit to get the centreshot right.
My brace height (from deepest point of the handle to string) is 197.5 mm and that is when I twisted the string quite a lot (around 20 twists) but I can’t seem to get any more brace height. I’ll try to remeasure riser, limbs and string just in case. After reading around about brace height of more than 204 mm (8”) I don’t know what else I could do to see if higher brace height would solve the noise issue.
Just have to say that other than that I’m loving it so I hope I can fix the noise issue. Hope it all makes sense and any help or advice is much appreciated.
Peter
Hi, Peter, I started shooting a Revo recently (bought it mid-July) and for me, it is really quiet too. Earlier I shot a Samick Vision and for some time I did it with a lot of buzzing too. After looking around all possibilities, I found out that the limbs' form was slightly different (a more accentuated curve toward the tips) than usual which made my string hit the limbs quite strongly, thus originating the buzz (among other issues). So I actually went to increasing my brace height a lot (somewhere close to 9 3/4 - around 240mm) and the buzz was gone. Maybe you can borrow and test with someone else's limbs to see if the buzz go away.
DeleteHi Peter
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment sorry I have not got back to you sooner but I am really rubbish at keeping anything up to date. So just a quick reply, you say your brace height is 197.5 which is just under 8 inches, well as far as my bow is concerned the sweet spot is just over 9 inches or 227 mm.
Tony, thanks for all the info you've compiled here. I've just been scanning through, so need to go back and read it all more thoroughly. Hopefully you haven't already written about this (if so, please direct me to the specific post).
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I'm thinking of buying a Revolution (found a used one in good shape at a decent price), but I saw a post elsewhere about the possibility of there being less torsional stiffness with the Revolution compared to "conventional" aluminum risers. The post was suggesting that to make up for this you needed to get very torsionally stable limbs. Any thoughts / experience with this? I've also read many posts of archers having better groupings after switching to the Revo (but many of these were folks who were shooting decent limbs - mid-level Borders, etc.). I've got TradTech Black Max 2.0s (about #29 at 29" draw length). Good limbs, but far from high-end, and no carbon... Would love to get some Border Hexs down the road, but won't have the $$$ for a while. Don't want to get a riser that is better than my cheap, beginner riser, only to have to spend a bunch on higher-end limbs as the only way to get the benefits of the new riser. If that makes sense...
Thanks for any thoughts on this!
-A
Hi,
DeleteI have never had an issue with torsional stiffness, and I have shot my revo' with anything from a pair of winstom limbs right up to my current Uuhka EX1s and they all work really well. If there was an issue better limbs would not help as they would not stop the riser twisting, sounds like some weird science where the laws of physics change if you add some carbon to the mix.
The bottom line is that as far as your equipment goes once you get to the mid-range stuff it all shoots better than most of us can, so it is really what "feels right" to you. One of the members of our league team has recently upgraded his kit to the tune of £1,500, he says he loves his new bow I think it is a bit of a pig but that is all subjective and he still out shoots me with it so .....
Try out a revo' with your existing limbs if possible and see what you think, within the first six arrow you will know if it is the riser for you.
I am about to replace my revo' as it failed, well the front element cracked but I have been shooting it for over six years so can't really complain. I will cover it a bit more in my next post (yes I am still doing them just stuff keeps getting in the way). Let us know how you get on and what you decide.